It is refreshing to note that Steven seems to take a critical point of view, and is eager to point out the dubious parts of the previous tests-results. It will be interesting to read his full report of the demonstration.
Not everyone appreciates Krivit´s critical thoughts, though.
Here is Andrea Rossi´s comments today;
"Andrea Rossi
June 17th, 2011 at 4:54 AM
Dear Roger Barker:
Please read the answer I gave to Craig:
AGAIN : WE MADE THE MEASUREMENT OF THE WATER IN WEIGHT !!!!!!
AND WE EXPLAINED THIS TO KRIVIT VERY WELL!!!!!
AND HE GOT CONFIRMATION OF THIS FROM AN INDIPENDENT PROFESSOR HE CONTACTED !!!!!
NOBODY MAKES THIS KIND OF MEASUREMENT IN VOLUME, BECAUSE IT IS A NONSENSE !!!!!
KRIVIT SAID ” I HAVE UNDERSTOOD” WHEN I TOLD THIS DURING THE INTERVIEW.
I HAVE MANY WITNESSES OF WHAT ABOVE ENCLOSED THE PROF. HE CONTACTED TO GET INDIPENDENT COUNSEL !!!!!
BUT HE REPORTED THAT WE DID NOT UNDERSTAND THE PROBLEM: WE. PHYSICS PROFESSORS OF CERN, UNIVERSITY OF BOLOGNA, UNIVERSITY OF UPPSALA, UNIVARSITY OF STOCKOLM, WHO MADE THE TESTS!!!!! AND HE COMES HERE TO TESCH TO US PHYSICS!!!!!!
HE CAME TO US SMILING, VERY FRIENDLY, ACCEPTED TO BE INVITED TO GET LUNCH, ACCEPTED TAXI REMBOURSEMENT, MADE FAIR QUESTIONS, GOT PRECISE ANSWERS, AND NOW HE WRITES TOTALLY FALSE THINGS:
THIS IS A SNAKE, NOT A JOURNALIST, AND I WOULD LIKE VERY MUCH TO KNOW WHO SENT HIM (I HAVE A PRETTY IDEA, THOUGH, SINCE HE UNADVERTEDLY GAVE US A CLUE).
Warm Regards,
A.R."
and further
"Andrea Rossi
June 17th, 2011 at 4:38 AM
Dear Craig:
Mr Krivit has understood nothing of what he saw, from what I have read in his ridiculous report… This guy has seen for half an hour an E-Cat in the factory where we make many tests, made some questions to Prof. Levi, Prof. Focardi and me. Evidently has understood nothing, perhaps for the short time we gave him, also because we have to work: maybe he is angry because we had to send him away from the closed boxes and because we had to say him good bye shortly because we have to make our work. Prof. Levi has explained very well to him how the measures have been made and the importance of the issue. He has explained very well that the percentage of uncondensed water in the steam has been measured in weight (in volume is impossible, for various reasons), and he also got confirmation of this from a specialist from whom he has taken indipendent counsel. Nevertheless, he has understood nothing, or wanted not to understand, for reasons he better knows. Our tests have been performed by Physics Professors, who know how to make measures , and I am measuring the performance every day on 300 reactors.
In any case we will start our 1 MW plant in october and we will see how it works. Of course I assure his considerations are invalid, but I want to say more: our products on the market will confirm this. Probably this journalist has been sent by someone that wants to dwarf our work. He also tried to blackmail prof. Levi, and Levi already has given to his attorney due information .
Warm Regards,
A.R."
June 17th, 2011 at 4:38 AM
Dear Craig:
Mr Krivit has understood nothing of what he saw, from what I have read in his ridiculous report… This guy has seen for half an hour an E-Cat in the factory where we make many tests, made some questions to Prof. Levi, Prof. Focardi and me. Evidently has understood nothing, perhaps for the short time we gave him, also because we have to work: maybe he is angry because we had to send him away from the closed boxes and because we had to say him good bye shortly because we have to make our work. Prof. Levi has explained very well to him how the measures have been made and the importance of the issue. He has explained very well that the percentage of uncondensed water in the steam has been measured in weight (in volume is impossible, for various reasons), and he also got confirmation of this from a specialist from whom he has taken indipendent counsel. Nevertheless, he has understood nothing, or wanted not to understand, for reasons he better knows. Our tests have been performed by Physics Professors, who know how to make measures , and I am measuring the performance every day on 300 reactors.
In any case we will start our 1 MW plant in october and we will see how it works. Of course I assure his considerations are invalid, but I want to say more: our products on the market will confirm this. Probably this journalist has been sent by someone that wants to dwarf our work. He also tried to blackmail prof. Levi, and Levi already has given to his attorney due information .
Warm Regards,
A.R."
Mr. Krivit, it is very amateurish to end your report by stating “…Before I left, two men came over from suite 6-C and took the coffee machine away…”
ReplyDeleteIt is surely very amateurish since your above mentioned sentence, no matter how firm you disguise, fully displays the misty duty of yours.
Z.Dural
One can hope that the full report will be more carefully written, and "include a detailed assessment of their methodology, and, as much as they will provide, their data" as Steven himself claims. To get rid of uncertainties in the measuring-data should be of interest for all involved!
ReplyDeleteIt's a shame that we still have to argue about experimental minutiae at this late date. Clearly, an experiment could be designed to remove any doubt as to the viability of his device.
ReplyDeleteOn December 10, 2010, Dr. Giuseppe Levi noted in his "Report on heat production during preliminary tests on the Rossi “Ni-H” reactor" that the E-Cat continued to run in a self-sustaining mode for 15 minutes after shutting off the power to the heating resisters and closing the hydrogen supply. The reaction was stopped by increasing the water flow to the cool the reaction chamber.
I don't see why an experiment couldn't be designed to build on this self-sustaining mode of operation. Start the process, remove the power to the heating resisters, disconnect the hydrogen supply, strip away the insulation to show that there is no hidden heat source and let the experiment continue indefinitely. Allow doubters and skeptics to attend on the condition that they must provide a viable alternative explanation as to what is providing the heat source.
Hopefully, this experiment would move the discussion past the doubting stage and excite the world's scientific community with the potential quantum leap forward that the E-Cat device may represent.
Levi has already responded, see http://22passi.blogspot.com
ReplyDeleteThe Google English translation reads as follows:
"Dear Mr. Krivit,
I have carefully read your preliminary report on your trip to Bologna. I have Carefully read your preliminary report on your trip to Bologna. Your report clearly demonstrates that you have not understood anything of what you have seen and what we have explained you. Your report Clearly Demonstrates That You have not understood anything of what you have and what we have seen you Explained.
First of all, the story about the steam. First of all, the story about the steam. As the signature in my email states, I got a PhD in Physics several years ago. As the signature in my e-mail states, I got a PhD in Physics Several Years Ago. This implies I have totally understood the difference between residual water in steam as a fraction of mass or volume. This implies I have totally Understood The Difference Between residual water in steam as a fraction of the mass or volume.
As I have unsuccessfully tried to explain: As I have unsuccessfully tried to explain:
1) The plots you were showing are well known and can be found in any textbook of physical chemistry. 1) The plots are well known You Were showing and can not be found in Any textbook of physical chemistry. They show measurements of the steam fraction in VOLUME percentage. They show measurements of the steam fraction in percentage VOLUME.
2) As I have told you many times, Dr. Galantini, the expert chemist that was in charge, performed measurements in MASS percentage. 2) As I have told you many times, Dr. Galantini, the expert chemist That Was in charge, measurements performed in the percentage MASS.
As Professor Zanchini told you the same day we met, one of the crucial bits of information you omitted from your preliminary report is that a fraction of water in the steam, measured by MASS as we have done, would reduce the amount of measured energy in a linear way. As Professor Zanchini told you the Same Day We Met, one of the bits of Crucial information you omitted from your preliminary report Is that a fraction of water in the steam, Measured by MASS as we have done, would reduce the amount of energy in Measured a linear way.
Therefore, our calculations and our analysis are correct. Therefore, our analysis and our calculations are correct.
Given that you omitted portions of information you had, insulted me (and my University) trying to say that I'm not knowledgeable enough in my area, tried (just tried) to scare me and put me under psychological pressure in order to obtain so far undisclosed data, I will not send you further information. Given That You You Had omitted portions of information, insulted me (and my University) Trying to say that I'm not knowledgeable enough in my area, tried (just tried) to scare me and put me under psychological pressure in order to know Obtain to undisclosed date, I will not send you further information.
Regards, Regards,
Dr. G.Levi Dr. G. Levi"
Looks like Steve shot himself in the foot.....
Ooopsss, something went wrong, here's the correct version (I hope)
ReplyDeleteDear Mr. Krivit,
I have carefully read your preliminary report on your trip to Bologna. Your report clearly demonstrates that you have not understood anything of what you have seen and what we have explained you.
First of all, the story about the steam. As the signature in my email states, I got a PhD in Physics several years ago. This implies I have totally understood the difference between residual water in steam as a fraction of mass or volume.
As I have unsuccessfully tried to explain:
1) The plots you were showing are well known and can be found in any textbook of physical chemistry. They show measurements of the steam fraction in VOLUME percentage.
2) As I have told you many times, Dr. Galantini, the expert chemist that was in charge, performed measurements in MASS percentage.
As Professor Zanchini told you the same day we met, one of the crucial bits of information you omitted from your preliminary report is that a fraction of water in the steam, measured by MASS as we have done, would reduce the amount of measured energy in a linear way.
Therefore, our calculations and our analysis are correct.
Given that you omitted portions of information you had, insulted me (and my University) trying to say that I'm not knowledgeable enough in my area, tried (just tried) to scare me and put me under psychological pressure in order to obtain so far undisclosed data, I will not send you further information.
Regards,
Dr. G.Levi